Cindy Kennedy, FNP, is joined by best-selling author Dr. Jay Davidson, who discusses the importance of detoxification and nutrition for those suffering from chronic illness like Lyme disease.
Davidson D.C., PSc.D. completed his undergraduate studies at University Wisconsin La Crosse Majoring in Biology with biomedical concentration and chemistry minor. He received his doctorate of chiropractic degree at Northwestern College of Chiropractic in Minnesota.
Davidson focuses on functional, natural medicine. He is a husband and a father. He is also a popular speaker and a two time No. 1 international best-selling author. Davidson was the host of the Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 1 and Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 2. He was also the host of the Parasite Summit and a co-host of The Detox Project, which had over 50,000 participants.
Davidson is admired for his ability to bridge the gap between the scientific health community and the layperson. His holistic approach encompasses the mind, body and spirit. He works with his clients to formulate a simple, straightforward plan toward restoring health. This has gained him tremendous respect among the Lyme community and his colleagues.
Davidson is an ambitious researcher and clinician in the health world. He and his team of well-trained doctors work with clients virtually around the world. His website is DrJayDavidson.com
Transcript of Episode 25: Detoxification, Nutrition and Lyme
Cindy Kennedy: Welcome everybody to another episode of Living With Lyme. Today, I have the distinct honor of having Dr. Jay Davidson with us today. And you are listening to me, Cindy Kennedy, your favorite Lyme nurse practitioner. So, let’s get right to it. Dr. Jay has been a really prime figure in treatment for Lyme. He had his undergraduate studies at the University of Wisconsin, and he is a doctor of chiropractic care, and he went to the Northwestern College in Minnesota. His focus is on functional and natural medicine. He is an unbelievable husband, as most of his information and what he talks about and how he became so Lyme-literate. He is also a father. And he is the founder of two Lyme summits. He has had an incredible amount of people to give us information. And I’m hoping that there’s going to be a third summit. He has a wonderful book out that I just read, and that’s How to Fix Lyme Disease. So, I welcome you, Dr. Jay. How are you?
Dr Jay Davidson: Thanks. It’s great to be here. I’m excited to be interviewed. Being on the other side of it right now.
Cindy Kennedy: Oh, I know. I know. It’s funny when the questions are coming to you. So, let’s talk about your book. Tell us about the big things that you center in on, so that you can help people heal from Lyme and coinfections.
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah, yeah. My most recent book, at the time now that we’re recording, probably published about three months ago, maybe four months ago, is called How to Fix Lyme Disease. It’s on Amazon. It’s a shorter book. My first book I published was called Five Steps to Restoring Health Protocol, and that one was like a brain dump. That was years of research and everything. I needed to organize all my research and put it into a reference, and I created a book. So, the first book’s definitely longer. For those that are struggling with brain fog and memory issues, the second book, How to Fix Lyme Disease, is probably a better reference. After I published the first one, my wife’s like, “All right. Hun …” She’s like, “You got to shorten this up here for people that can’t remember things.”
Cindy Kennedy: Exactly. God. Or take all that time and bring it together. Your book was simple. It was straightforward. It was easy to read and understand. And I got to tell you, I’m so impressed because you used the word “poop” in it. It’s so nice to hear rather than “BM” or “defecation.” So, thank you.
Dr Jay Davidson: Oh, yeah. You’re welcome. You’re welcome.
Cindy Kennedy: You can laugh. You can laugh. It’s okay.
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah. I tried to avoid some of the long jargon, because it can be confusing. So, we just need to … The more we can understand what is going on with our bodies, the better that we can create a roadmap to heal. So much of what happens in the Lyme disease world is fear and isolation. Isolation that, “Nobody understands what I’m going through.” Fear that, “Am I going to be stuck with this forever?” And just those two emotions right there can be debilitating. They can damper your healing ability, and even factor of really fully getting well. So, the more we understand all the things that we’re dealing with and having to work … I wouldn’t say against, but work with … The better chance we can get well.
And the goal of that How to Fix Lyme Disease book was … I had somebody that wrote me. They’re like, “I bought this for Lyme disease and it hardly even talks about Lyme disease in there.” And it’s like, that’s really the point though. If it was all about just killing the big, just the bacteria, then you can throw whatever oral bomb or antibiotic bomb to that bug, and you’ll kill it, and you should get well, and end of story. And you hear of cases like that, but so oftentimes, especially in the chronic Lyme disease space, it’s multifactorial.
You need to utilize a multi-therapeutic type approach and identify … Okay. Are you living in mold? Are you infected with mold? Is there parasite issues? Is there heavy metal toxicity? All three of those things are very common, in addition to Lime disease, and if there’s any of those factors, let alone multiple of those, and the only goal is to kill Lyme, you’re going to hit a wall. You’re going to struggle getting well. And that’s really where it’s putting all the pieces together. And then, also, in the right order. And that’s really what the goal of that book was. My wife, Heather, who … She was the one that was diagnosed with Lyme disease when she was seven and ended up in a coma for six weeks because the medications they gave her caused brain encephalitis. And then figured out it was Lyme disease.
And granted, this is when she was seven, and now she’s thirty-five, so this was quite a few years ago. And basically, from that time forward, has really struggled with Lyme or health issues. And that’s kind of how I got into this role. But she’s like, “Keep that book 80 pages, max.” I’m like, “Well, it’s 130, so that’s a lot better than 300.” So, I feel like that’s a great reference for people to start really looking at and grasp the idea that it’s more than just a bacteria, that there’s multiple things going on. We’re in a day and age, Cindy, right now where we’re exposed to more chemicals and toxins than ever. So, it’s like, detoxification isn’t an option; it’s a necessity.
Cindy Kennedy: Right. Even for people who are healthy.
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah, yeah. In order to maintain it. They’ve tasted glyphosate in rain water. So, even if you’re drinking filtered water and eating organic food, you’re still going to have exposure. And the goal is to keep that bucket empty, or keep lowering that bucket, because as soon as that bucket of toxins overflows, that’s when you get symptoms. People are like, “Oh, I do fine with cologne and perfume,” and all these other chemicals, and then all of a sudden one day it’s like, boom. It flips the switch and they react to everything. It’s like, “Well, you actually weren’t okay. You just didn’t have symptoms yet.” And so, the goal is, let’s never get symptoms. Let’s always maintain our health. And in order for that to happen, detoxification is really a must. And I really believe killing parasites is also a part of that, and they’re all interrelated.
Cindy Kennedy: So, how do you … We do know that mold … We can get tested, we can have our environment tested. What about parasites? How do you go about testing patients?
Dr Jay Davidson: My good friend, Dr. Todd Watts … His test for that is, you take two fingers, and put them on your wrist, find your pulse, and if you feel a pulse, that’s a positive for parasites. It’s obviously very sarcastic, but it’s pretty true.
Cindy Kennedy: Oh. You’re just saying everybody has parasites.
Dr Jay Davidson: Basically, yes. In our culture, we so want to label things, you know? I don’t even really like using the word “Lyme disease” because as soon as we hear that, then we’re like, “Oh, I am Lyme disease. I’m …” you know? And then all the fear of what the unknown things of Lyme disease, and, “Can I ever get well?” You’re automatically in a battle immediately. So, I try to avoid labels. But in our culture, especially in the functional medicine side, I feel like a lot of the certifications for functional medicine right now are really teaching you about collecting data. Like, what test is best, and this, and that, and running all that.
But we’re missing the boat of going upstream and going to the cause. And parasites … There’s 134 different species, as Dr. Ann Louise Gittleman will say. So, having one test or having a test that’s conclusive for it? Not going to happen. The parasite realm, the testing really stinks. Heavy metal realm really stinks. Lyme disease realm really stinks, and mold really stinks. And Cindy, I really believe those are the top four things that we see clinically affecting people, especially with Lyme disease, and health issues, and other mysterious issues, or those four things. And I really believe that’s where the testing is the weakest in the “medical and functional” medicine world.
Cindy Kennedy: How do you go about a treatment plan? Do you make the assumption that when people are not getting well or have chronic issues that you have to attack it in all four areas? Or all three areas in terms of the mold, parasites and metals?
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah. So, everybody’s individual. Everybody has different past history and what they’re going through. But if we were to assume … Okay. Mold’s part of it. Parasites are part of it. Heavy metals are a part of it. Lyme disease, plus the other pathogens, coinfections, viruses … Maybe we’ll just put that as a pillar. Let’s assume there’s four of those things. A lot of times, there’s also emotional trauma. There’s experts in the Lyme world that believe Lyme gets really triggered from conflict resolution of family members. So, like, your parents get a divorce and one of them moves away, and you don’t see them for three years, and then three years later you reunite with them. That’s typically when Lyme will flare up, from an emotional standpoint.
So, there’s many factors with this. But if we push the trauma, mental, emotional part to the side, because that can get rather complex, and look at from … Okay. Let’s say there’s mold, parasites, heavy metals, and then the Lyme coinfection pillar. The very first thing to do is identify for you what are the big things. And let’s just assume in this case that it’s all four of those. Then, the first focus is all about drainage. It’s about opening up the pathways to the body. Often, when people detox, and they react, or oftentimes when people take antibiotics and react, and don’t do well, and have the “Herx,” which I feel like is just … It’s used too much for what it was originally meant for.
But when we react to … Whether we’re killing pathogens or detoxification, I believe that the drainage pathways are not being addressed well enough. And drainage … To back up for the listener, it’s all about the normal pathways and how the body moves things within our body and out of the body. So, the colon, and pooping, like you mentioned earlier. I mean, that’s a basic drainage pathway. If you’re constipated, you’re not draining well, and you’re going to be more likely to react to any killing or any detoxing.
The lymphatic system is a really big drainage pathway. The glymphatic system, which is the brain drainage to the lymph, is really important. Kidneys. Skin. Not sweating. My wife didn’t sweat for years. It was like, “Oh, she doesn’t even need deodorant.” We thought it was so cool and awesome cosmetic, let alone did we realize that she’s not mobilizing things through her skin. That drainage pathway is clogged up. So, that’s definitely not a healthy thing.
I’d say the most important drainage pathway I’ve found, clinically, is the liver bile duct. The liver’s classically known for detoxification, phase one, and phase two. But there’s something called phase three detox, which I really believe we should change the name to “drainage.” Like, “first phase drainage,” or, “phase three drainage,” or something. So, when the liver processes chemicals, it’s got to do something with them after phase one and phase two of processing them. And what it will do is … Majority of these chemicals will actually be dumped into the bile. The liver makes the bile, it dumps toxins into the bile. And the bile’s there for two reasons. Emulsify fats when you eat. So, when you eat some food and there’s fats in it, the bile helps emulsify it. The second thing is, it helps to neutralize the stomach acid. So, stomach acid, very acidic. Bile, very alkaline. And they help to …
So, if you didn’t have bile and you had a bunch of stomach acid coming into the small intestine, and no bile, you’re going to burn holes in your small intestine because the acid is so acidic. The bile helps to neutralize that. So, keeping that bile duct/gallbladder – if you still have one – moving is super important for digestion. It is really the catalyst of making sure you have a healthy digestive track, but it’s also the real major focal point in order to make sure your drainage pathways are open. So, drainage, specially the lymphatic, and then the brain draining into the lymphatic, the glymphatic, which usually happens when you sleep.
But those … The glymphatic and the lymphatic, depend on the bile duct drainage. So, if that liver, bile duct, gallbladder area is not moving properly … It’s thick, sludgy from different bugs. Like, parasites in it, different toxins that are in there, then automatically we’re going to have a digestive track that’s not going to be optimal. Automatically, we’re going to have a lymphatic and glymphatic area in the drainage that’s not going to be draining properly. And you’re more likely, then, to react.
And also, more likely to start developing health issues because keeping that movement going … You know, “Motion is life.” Keeping that movement going. Liver, bile duct, is also an important piece to make sure your body can deal with the onslaught of stressors that are happening in our environment.
Cindy Kennedy: I have a couple of questions. One is for detoxification, as you just explained. You mentioned gall bladder, bile ducts, etc. What happens to the person without a gallbladder?
Dr Jay Davidson: So, yeah. Somebody that’s already had their gallbladder out … That’s a huge, red flag that there’s been issues with the bile duct drainage for years. Just because you had the gallbladder out, doesn’t … It’s more of a confirmatory issue than it actually fixes the issue. So, the gallbladder … Liver makes bile, pushes it into the bile ducts, and then the gallbladder is just a storage sack. So, when you eat some food, the gallbladder will squeeze, purge the bile out, and then you have more of that stuff for the body to digest.
When you’re missing the gallbladder, then you have a lack of bile, typically, for bigger meals. And then what happens is there’s a constant leaking of the bile into the digestive track. So, you’re at a little bit of a disadvantage once the gallbladder’s out because it’s really there for a purpose. Typically, people will get it out because of toxicity issues, and then also massive parasite issues. Like, when there’s Giardia, liver fluke, strongyloides, these other things that are in the liver, bile duct area and obviously part of the gallbladder, the body will actually try to encapsulate these things.
And that’s where a lot of the stones and these … People call them bile stones. Some people call it a build up of cholesterol, whatnot, but it’s basically the bile stones that build up. And some people call it gallbladder stones. Like, when you do a liver, gallbladder flush and you see them come out. That’s the body trying to encapsulate something that’s not supposed to be there. So, basically, when you’re missing a gallbladder, you want to take something while you eat that has an ox bile or has some type of bile. Like, a TUDCA with it to help your body digest. That’s probably the most important thing with the gallbladder.
Cindy Kennedy: I know from your book that you actually give that information so people can learn about it, because it’s one thing knowing that there’s these issues, but there’s the second thing in how to fix those issues.
Dr Jay Davidson: Yes. And that’s where I always just … I try to … You mentioned the whole “poop” word and not “bowel movement” and “BMs” and all these initials and things. It’s really … If we can just simplify it and understand it from … Like, take a step back and look at the body as a whole, it makes things so much easier to understand. So, going back to the process of getting somebody well, drainage is extremely important. Make sure those pathways are opened up. There’s herbs, there’s procedures at home. Diet obviously matters. Stress you’re under. All those things are factors.
So, looking … And you like you mentioned, my books have tons of resources as far as drainage in there. Focus on drainage. And then, usually, the next step inline is so work on parasites. There’s definitely an attitude, “Well, I want to test.” People get stuff out and they’re like, “What lab can I send it to?” And I’m like, “Don’t even waste your time.” You send worms in and a lot of times they come back negative, and they don’t know what it is, and it just leads to frustration. So, you see this stuff come out of you. Just, like … Super cool. Know that’s the right thing that’s going on.
Like, in the words … I’ve got a five and a half year old daughter now. And in the words of Shrek, the cartoon guy, “Always better out than in.” We want to get that stuff out. So, begin parasites early in your journey. And what I find, Cindy, is in the Lyme space, they always do it reverse. They always go after, “Let’s kil Lyme right away, or let’s really start to detox.” And it’s like … Those are the last steps. So, if we get the order wrong, it’s not like all that time was wasted. But the order is so, so important.
Cindy Kennedy: What is the order? What’s your first step?
Dr Jay Davidson: So, order … Well, if you’re living in mold, you have to remove the source. You have to remedy the situation, and if you can’t remedy the situation, then you have to move. That’s the worst case in the mold space. If you’re working in mold … You have to remove the source in order for you to get well, because if somebody’s reacting … Like, my wife, she always had opposite reactions when she … Went to a doctor, went to this doctor, went to this functional medicine specialist. He was like, “Oh, take this because it will calm you down,” and it would rub her up. “Take this to help you do this,” and it would have the opposite effect.
I always thought it was a methylation type issue, but now what I realize, actually, since my first book, that’s mold exposure. Mold causes this opposite reaction. Usually you feel good for five days, or ten days, and then all of a sudden, boom, it stops working? Mold. You want to think mold. So, mold has to be dealt with right away. And then opening a drainage pathway up while you’re dealing with mold, super important. Parasites is always early on the agenda, and here’s why. Parasites absorb heavy metals. And that’s why there’s such an epidemic right now in our society. The parasites will help reduce the heavy metal burden in the body, from the heavy metals going after organs, and attacking tissues, and creating inflammation, the parasites actually absorb the heavy metal. But then, of course, we end up with the side effect of all the negative issues with the parasites.
So, parasites are there because of heavy metal toxicity. Dr. Alan MacDonald, big researcher in the Lyme disease world, has actually shown that Lyme disease lives inside of parasites. So, the Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria lives inside of a nematode. It’s one of the things that he’s found. So, we’ve got heavy metals in parasites, we’ve got Lyme disease in parasites. It’s really easy to understand that smaller bugs, like viruses like Epstein-barr, and Bartonella, and all these other critters and creatures can live inside of parasites. Mold spores will actually live inside of parasites, too. Let’s say you clear the environment, you’re clean of mold, but you’re still having mold-like illness symptoms. Most likely it’s because the mold spores are replicating inside the parasites and releasing.
So, we’ve got mold to deal with first. Open up the drainage pathways. That’s always right away. And then parasites is one of the major players when the body is getting to a point where the drainage pathways are open. And it’s a not … I try to explain this, Cindy, in step one, step two, strep three, step four type of thing, kind of like my first book was written in the five steps. But it’s not so much like, “Oh, I’m done with step one. I’m done with drainage and I’m onto the next phase.” Drainage is always going to help people. And I know it’s a blanket statement, but really, I find it clinically true. If you support drainage, you will always progress, and be better, and do well.
Cindy Kennedy: So, supporting drainage means … Give the listeners an idea. Are you talking about hydration? Are you talking about certain types of foods?
Dr Jay Davidson: Oh, yeah. The category is huge. Just optimizing your sleep and sleeping enough is one of the most important factors for brain drainage. Taking things to help your lymphatic system. Taking things like milk thistle, dandelion root, liver bile duct, making sure you’re pooping, which is … Hydration is huge. Making sure that you’re in a position to go to the bathroom properly. Like, put your feet up on a stool or a Squatty Potty. I mean, there’s so many different things. And that’s what’s exciting. There’s different foods that help with it as well. Coffee enemas, castor oil packing, liver gallbladder flushes, which are a little more intense. But there’s so many tools to open up the drainage pathways.
It’s not like, “Oh, I’m going to open it up and be done.” It’s like, “No, you’re going to open it up and then you want to keep it open.” You might not have to go after it as much as you progress, but you want to make sure you’re really focusing with opening that up.
Cindy Kennedy: I’m sorry. This is just something that is such a common problem amongst Americans, and it’s the high level of obesity. And we all know that obesity is a state of inflammation. Do you think people who already have this factor … It’s going to inhibit people from getting well faster.
Dr Jay Davidson: Obesity is a direct result of toxicity. And it can come just from the standard American diet, the processed foods and all that. But fat cells are there just to store toxins. Just like parasites are there to store heavy metals, that if the parasites weren’t there for heavy metals, the body would literally probably shut down. And if the fat cells weren’t there for the toxicity as well, the body wouldn’t be able to function. So, it’s a way the body can store away the toxin.
The body always tries to excrete everything that it’s exposed to, but it can’t. So, the things that can’t will store into fat. When there’s obesity-type issues, I always look at it from a clinical functional medicine type side of … We want to detoxify. We want to clear those chemicals out. Because if the chemicals aren’t there, then the fat cells don’t need to be there. The fat cells are there as a reservoir. Like, a vault to hold the toxins. So, the whole changing diet and exercise, those are good lifestyle things, but most of the obesity that I see is so much toxicity-related. And obviously I live in a very subset world of chronic I’ll people, especially Lyme disease folk. So, take that with a grain of salt, but …
Cindy Kennedy: Right. We do have a lot of extrinsic factors that relate to our intrinsic nature. And I know that in your book here you write a really cool concept that I didn’t know about and the benefits of kombucha. I think that that has become more popular. I do talk to my patients about kombucha, and I have, actually … I have a nice recipe for kombucha so people can make it at home, and I do share that. But this information that you’ve put in your book is a new concept for me. And it looks like we’ve got a lot of benefits of this drink.
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah, yeah. One of them is radiation, actually. It seems to protect us from radiation. And I’m on the west coast. I’m in California, San Diego, right now. The whole west coast … I see radiation being a pretty big issue. Not just from Fukushima, across the pond from us here, but other things that have happened in the past. Chernobyl and different things. They found radiation from 50 years ago still present. So, radiation is definitely a big issue. You can also put the EMF, EMR, EMI category. Electromagnetic interference. You know, cell phone, Wifi, Bluetooth, all that. The research, like you were saying in the book that I wrote about, is that kombucha … I don’t know if they’re fully sure of the mechanism, but it does protect against that radiation, WiFi, Bluetooth type thing.
So, I’m a huge fan of remove the source, but in today’s age, it doesn’t matter where you’re going. There’s cell phone towers that are blasting us. So, kombucha seems to be a great thing to consume occasionally or possibly on a regular basis. But I always worry about overconsumption of certain strains of bacteria, that you want a little bit more diversity. But definitely love the kombucha idea.
Cindy Kennedy: Wonderful. I’m really thrilled with some of the information that you give out. One of the best things is “Less is more.” Part of your program for healing should be a lot of things that you do, and not necessarily a lot of things that you take. So, I’m really happy about that. And I know you take patients based on your protocols that you determine who you and your doctors … Other doctors that you work with, in terms of helping people. So, it’s … How do people get a hold of you if they’re interested in seeing if they fit your criteria? How do people get a hold of you?
Dr Jay Davidson: Yeah. The best place is my main website, which is DrJayDavidson.com. So, doctor is D-R, and then Jay is J-A-Y, and then Davidson.com. So, DrJayDavidson.com. We do work with clients. We just always want to make sure it’s a good fit. That it’s in our wheelhouse of what’s going on. I’d say the big four things that we see is the Lyme, mold, heavy metal and parasite category, and oftentimes multiple of those with one person. Some things to look forward to in the future, because you were talking about the Chronic Lyme Disease Summit … Number one, which I had no intention of it being number one. I just wanted to spread the word on Lyme, and then ended up doing a second summit, so of course the first one ended up becoming number one.
But I did the two Lyme disease summits. There’s just such a … I feel like such a need in people continuing to want more information in this topic. So, I’ve got a third Chronic Lyme Disease Summit coming out. We’re looking at April right now, at the time of us recording that. And then also in the works … And I don’t really know if I’ve talked about this publicly at all, but have an at-home self-directed coaching program, because it’s … And I know you’re probably the same way, Cindy. We can’t work with everybody in the world, and especially the more people that are affected with Lyme.
So, it’s really trying to create something that can be a foundation that you can really follow on your own. And especially … Finances can be tight, I know. Especially in the Lyme world and chronic illness. You’ve been to 20 different doctors, and spent money on tests and treatments, and were hoping for a cure and kind of hit a wall. So, there’s always the emotional trauma, there’s always emotional stress, there’s always finance, relationship things. So, just really trying to change …
Cindy Kennedy: Got to put that together. That’s just great, because people can’t travel. People can’t necessarily want to do something. And I would love to be part of something like that, to do the coaching, or the phone calls, or just keeping people … It’s hard to do something. Like, smoking cessation. I’m counseling people all the time on that. But if you can’t have somebody to constantly be there, and talk to people, and know that that call’s coming in. And you have to be responsible. And that kind of thing is something that we should think about. We should think about how else we can help people. It’s been wonderful taking with you. This has been great. You are a huge resource for myself and many other people. I know that you and I need to do a little bit more work on another podcast talking about some genetics and methylation because that’s another couple of things that we should talk about. But I just quickly have a couple of quick questions. And the first one is … Dr. Jay, what ticks you off?
Dr Jay Davidson: Geoengineering and spray in the sky. I look up to the sky and I see them spraying aluminum, and radium, and all these chemicals in the sky. That honestly angers me.
Cindy Kennedy: That freaks me out knowing that now. That freaks me out. Everybody run inside and shelter yourself and put your mask on.
Dr Jay Davidson: Well, yeah. I mean, that’s the thing. We don’t want to live in fear, but there’s really no … There’s no sane purpose for it. There was just a government shutdown that happened, and then two days later … So, it was like a government shutdown on Friday night, and then on Sunday morning, I look up in the sky in San Diego … You know, bright blue, and then 10 minutes later there’s streak, and then streak, and streak. And six hours later, they’re still praying. And it just baffles me. It baffles me.
Cindy Kennedy: That’s awful. In life, we’re thrown a lot of different things, and sometimes it’s a bad lemon. And your choice is either to become very sour about it or you can make lemonade. Now, my lemonade is doing all this. Networking, and talking to people, and providing some education. What’s your lemonade?
Dr Jay Davidson: This, yeah. I’m ticked off that they spray chemicals in the sky, but being able to communicate to the world about it … I want to make a change. That is the goal. It’s not about me and just my emotions. It’s about the overall wellbeing of us, our planet, our family structure, health. That’s really what’s going to revolutionize this world.
Cindy Kennedy: I think so, too. This has been great. I want to thank you. I know my listeners are going to be thrilled to see that you’re going to be on my page. And for everybody listening out there, this has been Dr. Jay Davidson. And we’ve talked about how to fix Lyme disease. So, please come back. I encourage you to subscribe to the website, www.LivingWithLyme.us. And it is dot-us because Lyme affects all of us in one way or another. This is your host, Cindy Kennedy. And I have been thrilled to be talking with Dr. Jay Davidson today. I encourage you to come back, listen some more, email me, ask me questions, give me some ideas on other people that you want to hear, and I will try to find them. Thank you everybody. And I’m signing off. Have a great day. Make it your best.